Apologies in advance for the heteronormative pronoun use here as this is addressed primarily in response to a specific essay/piece.
Oh, my good sir, where does one begin with the likes of you? Like so many, so curious, I read your little opinion piece over the weekend because the title of which, “Why I’ll Never Date a Feminist,” is pure clickbait gold (Go, you!). You’ve really stirred the pot then, haven’t you, you sneaky-cheeky?
That said, never have I seen such a slapdash series of sweeping generalizations and assumptions put together — none of which has anything to do with your hyperlinked researched bits and pieces, so you can put that concern aside (however, do keep in mind that NOTHING produced by the American Enterprise Institute is a nonbiased resource as the AEI is a conservative think tank). It has more to do with your perception of a movement as a whole.
I don’t blame you necessarily as the culture is rife with negativity towards a movement designed to equalize women and their standing in society, one that seems to be sending so many bros afraid for the loss of their advertised masculinity, stature, and overall privilege running for the hills.
Anyway, I’m here now to persuade you to consider otherwise, to convince you some way, somehow, that it may be beneficial for you to date a feminist.
Before I go into those reasons, let me clarify what a feminist is NOT. A feminist is not a man-hater by any stretch of the imagination. That particular subculture belongs to a brand of extremists, simply put misandrists, sort of a gender reversal of misogynists so let’s just mutually agree to do away with that ridiculousness on both sides of the spectrum, shall we? Crazy does not belong in the discussion as it encourages hatred and gross misrepresentation of something meant to benefit everyone.
Now that that’s out of the way, let’s get to those reasons as to why you should, at the very least, consider dating a feminist:
You will have her respect. She chose to converse with you. She knows when a man is her intellectual and social equal and also is aware you know in kind. Keep in mind she wouldn’t be with you otherwise, so you must be a cool catch, smart and savvy.
She is a great debater and will keep you on your toes. Why on earth would anyone want to engage in lively discourse with a person who doesn’t challenge him or her? Granted, there may be moments when neither of you can come to a common consensus on an issue, but isn’t that part of the human condition anyway? You both are smart enough to recognize that you’re free to disagree. If it happens routinely, then maybe neither of you were a match to begin with, were you?
She appreciates gentlemen (she really does, despite what naysayers may have you believe), but she isn’t hesitant to pick up the tab. This one’s a bit tricky since social norms have us virtually memorize and then practice the “rules” of dating etiquette. What does one do when dating in the 21st century exactly? She earns her own money after all. That said, there has to be a strong balance of both etiquette and understanding. There’s always the (varying) contemporary standby rule of etiquette when dating: Initially, whoever asked the other out probably ought to pay. However, generosity can certainly be expressed when out for the first time. It never hurts to show another that sort of graciousness. After the first date when such hesitancy seems no longer necessary (obviously, you were comfortable the first time around), it’s easier to fluctuate between the two of you as to who gets the check.
Speaking of money, she isn’t interested in yours. She is with you because of you. She doesn’t give a toss about your earnings, stock portfolio, property investments, and so forth. After all, she’s building her own. Now if finances is your area of expertise, she may likely ask for your advice, but she’s not a golddigger.
(Of course if you’re deliberately jobless and actually take pride in living in your parents’ basement, she probably wants nothing to do with you, but you ought to know she’s not alone in her low opinion of you. It’s time to garner some semblance of self-respect, guy)
She can take care of her own shit, so when she asks for your help, she means it. There’s nothing worse than dating someone who seems to need assistance for the pettiest of tasks. When a feminist needs you to assist, she really does, and whatever it is that’s causing her difficulty, it’s undoubtedly quite an undertaking. She has called on you to help her with a challenge. You. Think about that.
And vice versa. She’s more than willing to assist you with a challenge as well.
She will empathize with your injustices. An authentic feminist believes in equality and fairness after all. What better person to have in your court when you’re undergoing a custody battle or a harassment suit, for instance? She understands that these issues aren’t limited to a particular gender. She is more than aware that men can be abused, assaulted, harassed, and raped, and she will fight for you.
When you get to this point, you’ll find that she isn’t shy about sharing what works for her (and what doesn’t) in bed, and she will expect you to do the same. (Have fun with that!)
Again, sir, these are just some points to ponder before you take your own (foolhardy) advice. If you choose to follow the throng in finding a particular brand of Stepford woman, by all means, but fair warning:
You’re in for a dull ride.
Heh! The dude’s little “Why I Wouldn’t Date Feminists” thing implies that he’s actually been on a date. I find that hard to believe.
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LOL
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Take a look at his piece if you get the chance. It’s kind of hard to process his thesis, but the commentary is…something else.
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Not hard to process at all. It’s a bunch of thinly veiled “dude’s rool chicks drool” bullshit. My favorite bit… “Because of the hateful culture, men are now demanding “consent texts” on campus before engaging in raunchy, post-party one night stands.”I wasn’t aware that a burning man issue was not having the right to violate somebody, even if they are passed out drunk or high as a kite. I didn’t know that engaging in nonconsential sex was one of my manly rights being infringed upon by the evil feminazis. Hell,being a white heterosexual male I was never aware that I was being oppressed in the first place. I am eternally grateful for this asshole setting me straight. If my sarcasm isn’t apparent, it’s there. Trust me.
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Heh heh. Yeah. There’s no doubt he’s of the MGTOW variety, seething at the bit at anyone willing to call him out on his supposed “oppression.” I couldn’t figure out what he was attempting to clarify though — He states at one point “Now that America is more politically divided than ever, it’s impossible to date someone with staunchly different ideals than you.” However, he complains of the opposite, that we’re “divided” culturally and that’s causing a rift. Does he want a woman who thinks the way he does, who has the same “ideals” or doesn’t he? He’s all over the place so much so I don’t think he wants to flat-out state what he seems to really want — in a nutshell, a submissive housefrau.
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I think many of the people who argue these sorts of things want a submissive housefrau. To me, scattershot as it is, that’s what he’s saying. He attempts to string together various things as to example what he calls “gender politics” as destroying relationships when actually, he’s still firmly on the side of gender politics.
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Oh, yeah, for sure…His hypocrisy regarding gender politics is the only thing about his piece that was clearly evident to me. If he were my student (it would be a Comp 2 course, perhaps), I’d instruct him to have a much stronger thesis and rid the work of all of the logical fallacies…but then he’d have absolutely nothing left.
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And he’s completely right. He should not date a feminist. He shouldn’t date anybody else either.
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When I first read his piece, I…well, I felt sorry for him. He’s just…so sad.
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My bet is he doesn’t. 🙂
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OK, I’m putting aside the double-standard and applying the same rules to that guy that guys often apply to women. Ew, he’s fat and ugly. Who’d date that? 😀
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Oooooh, BURN! (and application of gender-reversal cultural beauty standard expectation noted)
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What Martha said – but haven’t women been applying those rules forever anyway? Just not as loudly, maybe, as men apply them in reverse. Anyway, I’m now going to horrify everyone by saying I’m sick to death of the whole ‘feminist’ thing. Germaine Greer may have done a lot for the cause, but she was right pain if you lived in the same city while she was burning her bra and you happened to find braless physically uncomfortable. She was – probably still is – a strident ball-breaker, and while she was probably necessary to get the ball rolling, (sorry!) she gave ‘feminism’ a reputation that’s hard to shake.
I agree with everything you say, but I think the ‘feminist’ tag has outlived its usefulness to the point of being counterproductive. We’re intelligent women exercising our right to be intelligent. Can’t we just call ourselves ‘people’? David Hon is obviously bristling with insecurities, poor little chap,and we do ourselves no favours by giving him a ‘feminist’ tag to hang them on. May he find his ideal bimbo soon and shut up.
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Yeah, I think Hon knew exactly what he was doing when he opened his can of ugly worms. As for the term, I think “feminist” (or “feminism”) is still essential as we continue to have issues when normalizing what’s degrading or unjust to women. For instance, I just read a piece on another blog — a personal piece the author wrote about relationship abuse — and some of the commentary/response ( not ALL but SOME) she received was pretty much victim-blaming (“You got him angry though.” “If you’re in that relationship, that’s your fault. You’re choosing to stay with him.” That sort of thing). We’re making waves though — big changes that will, inevitably, mark the end of the term in question because it really WON’T be needed anymore.
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Awww. Shucks. Thank you. 🙂
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No, thank you for writing it! I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
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I loved this!! Completely true. I go about the whole “who pays?” thing with the same attitude, so I’m glad to hear it’s not just me.
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Thank you so much! 🙂 Funny that you mention the “who pays” bit…It definitely isn’t just us. I read a piece somewhere recently that indicated exactly what I had always thought — it’s not about gender-specific expectations at all or outdated social norms, it’s about kindness/graciousness to get the tab. Nothing more.
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